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St George's Church - Letters to the Editor

- 18-Jun-2004
Following on from the news article in the Brentford Chiswick & Isleworth Times 04-Jun-2004, there has been an exchange of views in Letters to the Editor

The article is headed 'Church's grave survey must be independent' and appears on page 6 of this weeks edition.

Sir - I read with great amusement the article in the Times 'Grave Concerns over plan for listed church'. It was full of fictious information. It said that research suggested that 2,000 bodies were buried on the site - you could not fit 200 bodies on the site let alone 2,000. The previous church on the site was a small pretty Georgian private chappel and there are photograph showing a few headstones. The present church was built in 1887 following the demolition of the chapel. The area where the graves were was covered in part by the existing building. A recent survey by professional archeologists found nothing but Victorian rubble. The Musical Museum moved into the church in 1963 and no human remains have ever come to the surface in that time. The front gardens were paved over in 1990 as part on the environmental improvements to the surrounds of the church. I think there may be a confusion with the burial ground elsewhere in Brentford which was in the old Parish boundary of St George.

With regards to those who want to keep the building standing I suggest they come and have a close look at it. The Museum would not be moving out at great cost if the building could be saved. If one just touches the outside walls chunks of the stone come off in your hand.

The Museum is open Sat and Sun 2.-5. pm so not only can you see the cracks from the inside but you can see and hear the lovely musical instruments as well!

Michael Ryder
Chairman The Musical Museum


(Times) Editor's note: The article was based upon research carried out by the Holland Gardens Resident Community and subsequently shown to the Times. The residents' reply is as follows:

Sir - Members of the Holland Gardens Residents Community have undertaken considerable research into St George's Church and it's grounds, inclusive of discussions with local authors responsible for historic books on Brentford, and searches of the London Metropolitan Archives. Our results reveal not only maps indicating grave yards within the current grounds of the church, but also lists of 2299 names of people buried within the site. But most importantly we found an original document dated 1885 indicating what was to happen to any remains and headstones disturbed during demolition of the previous church (chapel) and building of the current church. I have sent a copy of the transcription of the London Metropolitan Archives document to (the Times) with relevant sections highlighted to validate this statement (reproduction of this document must be authorised by St Paul's Church, Brentford). We have also sent a copy of a letter from a local resident who remembers bones surfacing in recent years, a statement reiterated by one of the Church Commissioners.

It is therefore imperative that those wishing to demolish St George's Church come up with substantial evidence to ensure no remains are in-situ either within the grounds or within St George's Church itself. Curiously, it is the organisation who has most to benefit from the demolition that is charged with establishing the site is clear of (human) remains. This procedure MUST be undertaken by an independent surveyor and not any developer.

Our goal is quite simple - let's see all possible options to retain the building and leave demolition as a last resort.

On a different note I struggle with the concept that someone can maintain, cherish and love historic musical instruments but not care less about one of the only buildings of historic note left in Brentford. Do I need to put a 200 year old Steinway (literally) under the hammer to make the point?

A web site has been set up to allow resoidents to vote on what they think should happen to the church. Visit www.hollandgardens.org

Stephen Browne, Secretary
HGRC, Brentford

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The following comments have been made about this item:

  • Are you having a laugh Stephen Browne?
    Er this building is in a dreadful state of repair. If anyone thinks it is worth saving they are mistaken. Yes it is a nice looking old building but its old and crumbling and hasn't been used as a church for over 40 years. If there is money available to restore a church it should be spent on St Lawrences, one of the oldest buildings in Brentford and far more attractive inside. St Georges just aint worth it.
    - by Dr Selwyn Dunkley - 22/06/2004
  • St Georges Church
    Dr Dunkley - St Lawrence Church has not been used for over 40 years, whereas St Georges has been in constant use from the time of deconsecrating, and licensed to be open for the public to enter ever since, with the valuable contents of the Musical Museum on display, so how dangerous can the main structure of the building really be. St George's is a larger church than St Lawrence, able to hold a congregation of seven hundred, the only architectural merit of St Lawrence's is the tower, although listed other than that the building can be considered to be very ordinary, though no doubt you are well able to extol its limitless virtues.
    Like St George's there is no way that I would want to see it pulled down, this is not a contest between competing churches, it's about preserving history, and what little there is left of Brentfords past. There is no money at present to maintain either church but keeping St George's Church standing is at no financial cost to Hounslow Council or the greater community, whereas demolishing it is a historical cost to the community which can never be replaced. Again the point is not to demolish just because one organisation has come along and said they want to - let's look at options including just leaving it as is, such as has been the case with St Lawrence's.
    I trust we can agree on the foregoing comments. Kind Regards, Chairman Holland Gardens Residents Community
    - by Mr John Disson - 23/06/2004
  • Question and Comment
    What action has been taken to object to the insane proposal to demolish a beautiful church and historic asset for the Brentford community, for the sake of the developers' bank balance? I only learned about this recently when a letter from the planning authorities dropped through my letterbox in Holland Gardens. We must fight the proposal and the right to protect our historical legacy and birthright.
    - by Mr John Slevin - 26/06/2004

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